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Fossil record busted! Ep 37, season 2 finale of Genesis Week, with wazooloo/Ian Jubyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTWZJBXAZJA&feature=c4-overview&list=UU23yiJV4Bkagj5dkH-UyHFA
Carbon 14 dating shows Neanderthal / humans older than dinosaurs: Coexistence Probable
From excellent article http://youngearthcreation.org/articles/2012/11/biblical-and-scientific-shortcomings-of-davidson-and-wolgemuth/
From excellent article http://youngearthcreation.org/articles/2012/11/biblical-and-scientific-shortcomings-of-davidson-and-wolgemuth/
Why Claiming Humans and Dinosaurs
Coexisted Isn't Ridiculous by David H. www.sparklightplanet.com
Blood and soft tissue in T- rex bone?
http://creation.com/fresh-dinosaur-bones-found http://creation.com/sensational-dinosaur-blood-report http://creation.com/still-soft-and-stretchy
Young Earth and Supernatural Creationists claim that Dragons, re-termed Dinosaurs in 1841 by Richard Owen, were part of the original Creation of God and coexisted with Humans.
There are some evolutionists and others who propose coexistence, albeit a limited one.
Atheist and agnostics using evolutionary theory claim that it is ridiculous and silly to claim that humans and dinosaurs coexisted as many creationist and crypto zoologist propose.
Evolutionist claim that up to 80 million years separate humans from dinosaurs and that there is no evidence fossil, historical, scientific or otherwise that shows an overlap or coexistence. Are they correct? Top Left Photo from http://www.childrensmuseum.org/themuseum/dinosphere/profiles/dracorex.html
My Atheist friends may claim me insane for thinking that Supernatural Creation can contend that the evolutionary organization of the fossil record can be invalidated. I contend that yes, the natural progressive evolutionary interpretation of the fossils and fossil record is wrong, unscientific and based often on blind faith. Go big or go home.
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/are-fossils-really-millions-years-old.html
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/origin-of-invertebrates
Natural discontinuities and the fossil record http://www.rae.org/pdf/FAQ01.pdf
Fossil record busted! Ep 37, season 2 finale of Genesis Week, with wazooloo/Ian Juby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTWZJBXAZJA&feature=c4-overview&list=UU23yiJV4Bkagj5dkH-UyHFA
Why dare such a thing? Claiming evolutionists have used blind faith in constructing the fossil record. Well, they have been known to construct a whole human species- Nebraska Man from a dead pigs tooth and then have the audacity to use coerced public funds (taxes) to pay for them to put this claim in textbooks and teach it to trusting students (it was taken out years later- but known evolutionary errors persist in textbooks*). It is one thing to make a claim, scientific or otherwise, smart people with agendas do it all the time. It is another to do it publicly with public funds. This has been done multiple times and in diverse ways. See my article, The Evolutionary Fossil Record: Fact or Faked* & www.sparklightplanet.com. Birds Millions of years before Dinosaurs
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/textbook-fraud.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsymX4adl2o
The Age of Dinosaurs http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v8i9f.htm Wazooloo on Youtube Ep10, Season 3 Ardi: Not a Missing Link http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/ardi-not-missing-link.html
Missing Links that Never Were: http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/missing-links-that-never-were.html
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/fossil-record.htm www.ScienceAgainstEvolution.org
Questions Evolutionist must answer about dinosaurs
Dinosaur bones have been dated by radiocarbon (Carbon-14)
Dates generally range from 22,000 to 39,000 Carbon-14 years before present
The dates themselves are not as important as the fact that there is measurable Carbon-14 in dinosaur bones. If dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, there should not be one molecule of Carbon-14 left in their bones!
First, the data (from http://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/carbondating.htm, a page of the Paleochronology Group, with Hugh Miller, Josef Holzschuh, and Jean de Pontcharra)
http://www.newgeology.us/ http://www.newgeology.us/Dinosaur%20bones%20dated%20by%20Carbon-14.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQahEG1z_A&feature=plcp & http://www.youtube.com/wazooloo
http://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/carbondating.htm
http://youngearthcreation.org/articles/2012/11/biblical-and-scientific-shortcomings-of-davidson-and-wolgemuth/
This graph is comparing a variety of carbon dates. The left side shows the age scale; the numbers on the bottom show the sample number and what color dot represents it in the scatter plot, followed by a detailed list of the samples and the sources for that date. You’ll notice that the first two datapoints (purple), the oldest ages returned, are Neanderthal bones. Next are several carbon dates of large mammals (the two low numbers are mammoths). The majority of the dates shown (datapoints 8-27) are dinosaurs, and datapoint 28 is a mosasaur, a sea creature that is supposed to have gone extinct at the same time as the dinosaurs. Some skeptics will claim that there is not enough carbon-14 in dinosaur bones to date them, but this is not the case. Notice that the oldest carbon dated dinosaur returned an age of 39,230 years, a far cry from the 50,000 year terminus some claim. And notice that many of the dates of the dinosaurs are within the range of the large mammal dates, and all of them are younger than the Neanderthal dates! This means that, according to conventional carbon dating, Neanderthals must be older than the dinosaurs, and dinosaurs and saber tooth tigers must have lived at the same time.
There are two datapoints on this graph not yet addressed – points 29 and 30. These were samples from the same dinosaur as datapoints 8-12, but these were known to be contaminated and dated anyway for comparison to the other dates obtained. Notice that these contaminated samples are far lower than the bulk of the dinosaur samples, even the ones from the same dinosaur, so one cannot claim all these results are from contamination. (Datapoint 27 could be argued to be so near to the contaminated bones as to be suspect, but not any of the other 20 dinosaur datapoints.)
And before the objection comes up that these are contaminated from preservatives used on the bones, for datapoints 10 and 13 the bones were cut open and samples were taken from inside (Hugh Miller, “What’s Up With C-14?”, Mt. Blanco Fossil News, September-October 2010, p. 13) so no exterior preservative can be claimed as contaminating these dates.
Examples of fossil intermixing have been documented by both creationists and evolutionists. In the Robledos Mountains, in layers assigned to the Permian (a period of time ranging from 299-251 million years ago, before the dinosaurs) are found tracks of the large sail-backed Dimetrodon. That’s not really all that shocking – it’s actually what evolution says. But in the same layer as the Dimetrodon tracks are bird and bear tracks, creatures that should not appear for over 200 million years. And yet we have evidence that these creatures literally walked the earth at the same time. This was reported in the article by Doug Steward called “Petrified Footprints: A Puzzling Parade of Permian Beasts”, Smithsonian, July 1992, vol. 23, Issue 4, p. 70-79, where it was stated that paleontologists label these things
as problematica. The thing is, they’re only problematic for evolution and an old earth.
Other examples could be named – in the Grand Canyon, horse hoofprints were found in rock layers supposedly 100 million years before hoofed animals appeared (Edwin D. Mckee, The Supai Group of Grand Canyon, Geological Survey Professional Paper 1173, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office 1982, p. 93-96, 100). It doesn’t take a genius to see the flaw with that one. In fact, ostrich tracks have been documented at Blue Beach in Nova Scotia, supposedly 350 million years old (Ian Juby, “Special report #2: The strange fossil footprints of Horton Bluff, Nova Scotia”, CrEvo News, May 12, 2012, http://ianjuby.org/newsletter/?p=602#3 ). So ostriches are older than the dinosaurs from which birds supposedly evolved? time (F. S. Holmes, The Phosphate Rocks of South Carolina and the Great Carolina Marl Bed, p. 31). This is the subject of geologist John Watson’s book Man Dinosaurs And Mammals Together, available from the Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum (http://www.mtblanco.com ).
Drs. Davidson and Wolgemuth specifically state, “Ferns and meadow flowers should be found in the same deposits” in old deposits. Fern spores and flower pollen have been found in Cambrian rocks assigned an age of 361-440 million years before flowering plants evolved (See R. M. Stainforth, “Occurrence of Pollen and Spores in the Roraima Formation of Venezuela and British Guiana,” Nature, vol. 210, April 16, 1966, p. 292-294; A. K. Ghosh and A. Bose, p. 796-797; A. K. Ghosh and A. Bose, “Spores and Tracheids from the Cambrian of Kashmir,” Nature, vol. 169, June 21, 1952, p. 1056-1057; J. Coates et al, p. 266-267). In fact, flower pollen has been found in Precambrian rocks, meaning they are found in rocks supposedly 152 million years before the first land plants evolved (George F. Howe et al, “A Pollen Analysis of Hakatai Shale and Other Grand Canyon Rocks,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, vol. 24, March 1988, p. 173-182).
The Miracle that we even find dinosaur bones and other older fossils.
If the current rate of erosion is extrapolated back- at current rates (past rates of erosion can be shown to be much greater from environmental studies (the evolutionary practice of uniformitarianism does this all the time- extrapolating from the present)) then current continents and sedimentary layers containing dinosaur bones should have eroded flat and been recycled in 12- 18 million years. Close to three times over in 70 million years. http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html
Eroding Ages http://creation.com/eroding-ages
http://aufiles.creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j11_3/j11_3_335-343.pdf
The Fossil Record Shows Devolution from Greater Ancestors http://greaterancestors.com/ Other sites: Many show past erosion rates as lower than today, today’s rates being affected by humans. But I think this question still poses a scientific issue on Fossils and their age. This is a tough one, as we can only extrapolate and make models about past erosion rates.
http://serc.carleton.edu/details/images/17056.html
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994GeoRu..83..431H
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=726
http://orgs.usd.edu/esci/age/content/creationist_clocks/continents.html
http://oatao.univ-toulouse.fr/3563/1/Tardy_3563.pdf
http://gsabulletin.gsapubs.org/content/119/1-2/140.abstract
http://www.coas.oregonstate.edu/facultypages/mix/Harris_Mix_Geology_2001.pdf
Extinction events
Evolutionist claim an extinction event (meteor bombardment- the most widely accepted theory) wiped out dinosaurs and almost all life of earth. This created a genetic bottleneck event, from which they say life rebounded and created all the diversity of creatures we have today. Yet they ridicule the notion that in a global flood cataclysm Noah could have preserved two pairs- at least 4 of ever creature (in ancient Hebrew) these being ancestral creatures whose genetic makeup was not deteriorated or depleted. See the Cheetah’s genetic extinction*.
What is more genetically difficult. Everything we see today coming from a complex mix of chemicals spontaneous generation/abiogenesis to all life then a mass extinction event approx 50 million years ago of the dinosaurs etc. to all the life we see today. Or the Creation of ancestral kinds of creatures (ancestral wolf/dog to all species of dogs), a global flood cataclysm (see In The Beginning, by Dr Walt Brown) causing a genetic bottleneck, from which we know species typically rebound from with great amounts of diversity (see Degeneration: The End of Evolutionary Theory).
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/common-misconceptions-about-evolution.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/natural-limits-of-evolution.html
The Geologic Column http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html
Are there all that many dinosaur species or do scientists not want to share discoveries? Just how many Ancestral kinds of Dinosaurs are there? Were Allosaurus and T-Rex just different species of the same genetic kind?
Of all the creatures in the fossil record (which all agree is still being added to with new discoveries) are there any creatures alive today- major body types - which we do not find there? If progressive evolution is true shouldn't there be hundreds even thousands of creatures alive today which are nowhere found in the fossil record? It seems to me we find the opposite. We find thousands of creatures alive in the past who have gone extinct and are no longer alive today. Isn't this evidence of kinds speciating, adapting and degenerating to extinction?
Back to Human Dinosaur Coexistence
Where's the evidence? Actually, all over the world!
Many sedimentary layers contain dinosaur bones, mammal bones and human bones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DubjzG5r358&list=UU23yiJV4Bkagj5dkH-UyHFA
Bacteria and Evolution Genesis Week, Ep 2, season 3 with Wazooloo, aka Ian Juby
Whales, porpoises, fish, sharks and ray sharks (incl. Megalodon) Toads, crocodiles, alligators, turtles, rabbits, monkeys, horses, tapirs, camels, elephants, rhinoceroses, mammoths, mastodons, sloths, muskrats, deer, pigs, dogs, sheep, hadrosaur dinosaurs, iguanodon dinosaurs, plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs, human bones, teeth and artifacts have been found in the same strata of the Phosphate rocks of South Carolina and the "great Carolina marl bed by F. S. Holmes & Man, Dinosaurs and Mammals Together By Josh Watson www.mtblanco.com
I have compiled most of this “evidence” in “SLP2.0” at www.sparklightplanet.com
Of course these evidences are hotly contested by evolutionists/atheists. If even one of these is true, than it sounds a death knell to NP Evolution. Taken with all the evidences countering NP Evolution from all disciplines of science, it should make one take the time to think about and research the issue of origins for themselves.
Source: bible.ca/tracks/utp-upper-taylor-platform-mcfall-trail.htm True finds or fakes?
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.jpg
http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm
Watch more… -videos
Dinosaurs & Humans (part 1) - Dr. Brad Harrub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGFrucrBSRw
Left: Lady of Guadeloupe British Mu.Nat.His. Miocene Limestone 28 myo
Fossilsout of place artifacts see SLP2.0 pages 238-364 at www.sparklightplanet.com
www.s8int.com http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
just cool http://www.fogonazos.es/2008/09/cal-orko-dinosaurs-dancefloor.html
Human bones found in Evolutionary Dated rock layers 3.2 Mill. Y. o. rock and older
Knee bone of a human in 3.2myo rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQahEG1z_A&feature=plcp
Human fossil footprints and artifacts in “Dino” layers and much more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0oPx5eNoRI&feature=BFa&list=PL11166601CA0FB279
Dinosaurs ate birds
http://creation.com/dinos-ate-birds
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0044012
Archeological
Icca stones: Fake or Real?
carvings and depictions on ancient ruins and stones
http://www.icr.org/men-dinosaurs/
‘Feathered’ dinos:
no feathers after all!
http://creation.com/feathered-dinosaurs-not-feathers
http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-protein-even-more-confirmation
http://www.icr.org/article/utah-dinosaur-petroglyph-disputed/
depictions on artifacts and figurines www.s8int.com
The Dinosaur Next Door http://www.icr.org/article/3882/368/
The Dinosaur Figurines Of Acambaro, Mexico : Fake or Real?
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro.htm
http://detecting.org.uk/html/Acambaro_Figures_Famous_Fakes_and_Frauds.html
http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=348
see SLP2.0 pages 238-364 at www.sparklightplanet.com
Historical writings, testimonies, artistic, and photographic:
Eyewitnesses to Extinction: Testimonies to the Life and Death of Dinosaurs http://www.icr.org/articles/view/6092/368/
Is There Some Truth to Dragon Myths? http://www.icr.org/articles/view/4770/368/
from http://www.forbidden-history.com/herodotus.html Historical and historical scientific writings www.s8int.com
Historical Support for the Coexistence of Dinosaurs and Humans [Part I] http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=743
Walking Amidst the Dinosaurs http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=37 Historians, Explorers Herodotus, Ulysses Aldrovandus, Pliny the Elder, Josephus, and Marco Polo. All of these men recorded seeing different types of creatures that they called dragons.
Roman accounts, Chinese accounts http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/historical/dragons/
Anglo- European accounts and royal genealogies – confirm Biblical history and dinosaurs back to
Noahic and even Adamic times
historic accounts in middle ages and Renaissance times
After the Flood by Bill Cooper http://www.ezekielwatch.com/Portals/69/Resources/AfterTheFlood.pdf
artistic and photographic
compiled in “SLP2.0” at www.sparklightplanet.com
http://isawelvisinthewoods.blogspot.com/2010/12/mother-always-taught-me-never-eat.html
CULTURE
NAME FOR DRAGON http://www.forbidden-history.com/dinosaurs-in-history.html
China
Loong
Japan
Ryu
Philippines
Bakunawa
Siberia
Yilbega
French
dragon,dragun,dargon
Turkey
Ejderha
Greece
Drakon
Portugal
Coca
Romaina
Balamr
Slavic
Zmeg, Drak, Smok
Hungary
Sarkany
Britain/England
Wyvern, Dragon
Sardinia
Scultone
Wales
Y ddraig goch
Korea
Yong, Imoggi
Vietnam
Rong, Long
India
Neak
Persia
Azhdaha
Germany
Lindworm
Tartar
Zilant
See timeline at www.sparklightplanet.com
· Creation of the heavens and earth- earth formless and empty (void) - unknown amount of time
· Creation of original kinds of creatures – six days
· Speciation, adaptation, and diversification of all creatures including dragons/dinosaurs
· Creatures original designed as herbivores / optimized genetic expression in plant and animals
· Man partially separates himself and the earth (all their given domain) from God’s sustaining power – not totally or all would die and cease to exist, God being the essence of life, light and existence / reality.
· God's supernatural sustaining life is lifted from man and creation- see the purpouse for the tree of Life.
· Degeneration resulting in death enters the living world, diseases, genetic degeneration(mutation etc.), environmental degeneration. Speciation/adaptation and natural/environmental selection were in existence in original creation (entropy was designed into creation- God supersedes entropy) see Entropy and God article* http://gochristianhelps.com/tracts/stl/entropy.htm
· Mans evil and self destruction escalate until God chooses to step in and rescue humanity from themselves inducing a global flood cataclysm
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood, by Dr. Walt Brown.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ www.creationscience.com
· Noah is chosen to be used in preserving original genetic ancestral kinds of land and air creatures including dinosaurs. Is this possible or feasible, see books and articles*
· At least two pairs (4) of ever creature mentioned above are preserved. All ancestral kinds, being in eggs, juveniles/ babies- young durable and small. This would reduce the space and food needs- all creatures would have been able to subsist on organic/ plant material, see above herbivorism. Massive amounts of plants were floating on bio-mats in the cataclysm waters- which weren’t salty like to oceans of today- providing additional food. Many animals may have entered a hibernation state, eating less and taking less maintenance.
http://www.biblesearchers.com/ancients/noah/noah1.shtml
Post Cataclysm
· Genetic ancestral kinds speciate, diversify and adapt to what we see today.
· The earth’s environment changes radically from its pre-flood cataclysm state
· Degeneration and speciation accelerates in humans and in animals due to genetic “bottle neck” and environmental extreems
· The post-flood environment would have been ultra lush and wet. A water covered earth with no deserts, large inland lakes and oceans, A planet wide ice age would have followed, see In the Beginning by Dr Walt Brown, Old Earth Why Not, etc
· contents sliding apart, riding higher on the mantle, early civilizations established on coastlines and later flooded http://www.newscientist.com/special/drowned-cities-myths-secrets-of-the-deep
http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwater-urban-archeology-7-submerged-wonders-of-the-world/
Sunken Realms: A Survey of Underwater Ruins from Around the World by Karen Mutton · warmer oceans due to volcanism etc. precipitate a rapid ice age.
· greater precipitation – resulting in more snow- growing ice sheets and accelerated erosion
· harsher environmental conditions – making it harder for animals to adapt and survive. Dinosaurs being reptilian would have a harder time surviving an ice age.
http://www.iceagecivilizations.com/ & http://www.genesisveracity.com/
· Lower oceans, higher land masses – the animals migrate all over the earth, see map of post flood earth. Or ancient Evolutionary earth. The predator animals pursuing the prey from the origin point of Turkey. Humans pursuing both as the ultimate predator. See animal and human migration*. In the Beginning
A possible post-Flood human migration route http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19_1/j19_1_65-72.pdf
Post-Flood Marsupial Migration Explained http://www.rae.org/marsupials.html http://www.ezekielwatch.com/Portals/69/Resources/AfterTheFlood.pdf http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/
Footprints After the Flood http://realtruth.org/articles/446-fatf.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c006.html
· Humanity spreads hunting and killing the fiercest, largest and most auspicious of the animals, mostly dragons/dinosaurs. http://www.icr.org/article/did-humans-cause-dinosaur-extinctions/
http://www.icr.org/men-dinosaurs/
· by Roman times dinosaurs/ dragons were rare and scarce
· Approximately 500 years ago they were mostly extinct being wiped out for being nuances or valued – as to their rarity – see the hunting of almost extinct animals today and Chinese eat dinosaur/ dragon bones for medicinal purposes etc.)
· Today, due to 200 years of Evolutionary theory practically no one is looking for or believes that dinosaurs/dragons still might exist in extremely remote places or in large bodies of water. All evidence that threatens their evolutionary / atheistic views are ignored, destroyed or explained away.
So, what do you think? Is the history valid, the evidences. It is irrational and stupid to propose human dinosaur coexistence? Will more human searching and discovery destroy or reveal the evidence? Will future discoveries confirm or invalidate human dinosaur coexistence. If there are new discoveries in favor of coexistence will they be ignored or destroyed to keep public funding of evolutionary science theory and their public funded research and teaching in our schools. Wouldn't it be sad if because of evolutionary theory and beliefs we destroy and lose our chance to connect and learn more about these amazing “terrible lizards” of the past? Will we trade discovery for a theory that limits all we can know to the material world and the security and comforts of humans wanting to only answer to themselves?
Sources Science supporting Intelligent Origins
book
Genetic Entropy & the Mystery of the Genome by John C. Stanford
Darwin's Black Box by Michael J. Behe
web
Degeneration: the end of evolution theory
E-Book www.evolution-is-degeneration.com
www.sparklightplanet.com
The Origin and Evolution of Life on Earth
E-Book www.lifesorigin.com
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/intelligent-design-on-another-planet.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-did-my-dna-make-me.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/evolution-made-simple.html
Reasons to Believe – presents arguments for God's existence and creation – old earth and theistic evolution position www.reasons.org
Creation & Science Websites/ books
E-Book The Spark, The Light & The Planet www.sparklightplanet.com
RSF: List of Not So Old Things http://kgov.com/list-of-not-so-old-things
RSF: List of Not So Old Things Pt. 2 http://kgov.com/bel/20120127
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/science-and-origin-of-life.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/creationists-right-on-entropy-evolution.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/science-and-young-earth.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-god-didnt-have-beginning.html
The Institute for Creation Research Indepth scientific and biblical information regarding the creation/evolution controversy. www.icr.org
Answers in Genesis www.answersingenesis.org
Creation Ministries International www.Creation.com
Dinosaurs and coexistence
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/where-are-all-half-evolved-dinosaurs.html
Watch more… -videos
Dinosaurs & Humans (part 1) - Dr. Brad Harrub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGFrucrBSRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88pbccQbMxE&feature=watch_response
Man Walked with Dinosaurs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NsMhg1IkIY&feature=related
books
Mysterious Sea Monsters of California’s Central Coast by Mysterious Sea Monsters of California’s Central Coast
Global flood Cataclysm SLP 2.0 on website free PDF download
Books See above and * see list and resources at
www.sparklightplanet.com
A Supernatural
History of the World
Creation through the flood Cataclysm & ice Age to Abraham
A crash course through supernatural history using science, the Bible and historic research
Eden Lost
Available at www.sparklightplanet.com
Coexisted Isn't Ridiculous by David H. www.sparklightplanet.com
Blood and soft tissue in T- rex bone?
http://creation.com/fresh-dinosaur-bones-found http://creation.com/sensational-dinosaur-blood-report http://creation.com/still-soft-and-stretchy
Young Earth and Supernatural Creationists claim that Dragons, re-termed Dinosaurs in 1841 by Richard Owen, were part of the original Creation of God and coexisted with Humans.
There are some evolutionists and others who propose coexistence, albeit a limited one.
Atheist and agnostics using evolutionary theory claim that it is ridiculous and silly to claim that humans and dinosaurs coexisted as many creationist and crypto zoologist propose.
Evolutionist claim that up to 80 million years separate humans from dinosaurs and that there is no evidence fossil, historical, scientific or otherwise that shows an overlap or coexistence. Are they correct? Top Left Photo from http://www.childrensmuseum.org/themuseum/dinosphere/profiles/dracorex.html
My Atheist friends may claim me insane for thinking that Supernatural Creation can contend that the evolutionary organization of the fossil record can be invalidated. I contend that yes, the natural progressive evolutionary interpretation of the fossils and fossil record is wrong, unscientific and based often on blind faith. Go big or go home.
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/are-fossils-really-millions-years-old.html
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/origin-of-invertebrates
Natural discontinuities and the fossil record http://www.rae.org/pdf/FAQ01.pdf
Fossil record busted! Ep 37, season 2 finale of Genesis Week, with wazooloo/Ian Juby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTWZJBXAZJA&feature=c4-overview&list=UU23yiJV4Bkagj5dkH-UyHFA
Why dare such a thing? Claiming evolutionists have used blind faith in constructing the fossil record. Well, they have been known to construct a whole human species- Nebraska Man from a dead pigs tooth and then have the audacity to use coerced public funds (taxes) to pay for them to put this claim in textbooks and teach it to trusting students (it was taken out years later- but known evolutionary errors persist in textbooks*). It is one thing to make a claim, scientific or otherwise, smart people with agendas do it all the time. It is another to do it publicly with public funds. This has been done multiple times and in diverse ways. See my article, The Evolutionary Fossil Record: Fact or Faked* & www.sparklightplanet.com. Birds Millions of years before Dinosaurs
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/textbook-fraud.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsymX4adl2o
The Age of Dinosaurs http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v8i9f.htm Wazooloo on Youtube Ep10, Season 3 Ardi: Not a Missing Link http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/ardi-not-missing-link.html
Missing Links that Never Were: http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/missing-links-that-never-were.html
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/fossil-record.htm www.ScienceAgainstEvolution.org
Questions Evolutionist must answer about dinosaurs
Dinosaur bones have been dated by radiocarbon (Carbon-14)
Dates generally range from 22,000 to 39,000 Carbon-14 years before present
The dates themselves are not as important as the fact that there is measurable Carbon-14 in dinosaur bones. If dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, there should not be one molecule of Carbon-14 left in their bones!
First, the data (from http://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/carbondating.htm, a page of the Paleochronology Group, with Hugh Miller, Josef Holzschuh, and Jean de Pontcharra)
http://www.newgeology.us/ http://www.newgeology.us/Dinosaur%20bones%20dated%20by%20Carbon-14.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQahEG1z_A&feature=plcp & http://www.youtube.com/wazooloo
http://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/carbondating.htm
http://youngearthcreation.org/articles/2012/11/biblical-and-scientific-shortcomings-of-davidson-and-wolgemuth/
This graph is comparing a variety of carbon dates. The left side shows the age scale; the numbers on the bottom show the sample number and what color dot represents it in the scatter plot, followed by a detailed list of the samples and the sources for that date. You’ll notice that the first two datapoints (purple), the oldest ages returned, are Neanderthal bones. Next are several carbon dates of large mammals (the two low numbers are mammoths). The majority of the dates shown (datapoints 8-27) are dinosaurs, and datapoint 28 is a mosasaur, a sea creature that is supposed to have gone extinct at the same time as the dinosaurs. Some skeptics will claim that there is not enough carbon-14 in dinosaur bones to date them, but this is not the case. Notice that the oldest carbon dated dinosaur returned an age of 39,230 years, a far cry from the 50,000 year terminus some claim. And notice that many of the dates of the dinosaurs are within the range of the large mammal dates, and all of them are younger than the Neanderthal dates! This means that, according to conventional carbon dating, Neanderthals must be older than the dinosaurs, and dinosaurs and saber tooth tigers must have lived at the same time.
There are two datapoints on this graph not yet addressed – points 29 and 30. These were samples from the same dinosaur as datapoints 8-12, but these were known to be contaminated and dated anyway for comparison to the other dates obtained. Notice that these contaminated samples are far lower than the bulk of the dinosaur samples, even the ones from the same dinosaur, so one cannot claim all these results are from contamination. (Datapoint 27 could be argued to be so near to the contaminated bones as to be suspect, but not any of the other 20 dinosaur datapoints.)
And before the objection comes up that these are contaminated from preservatives used on the bones, for datapoints 10 and 13 the bones were cut open and samples were taken from inside (Hugh Miller, “What’s Up With C-14?”, Mt. Blanco Fossil News, September-October 2010, p. 13) so no exterior preservative can be claimed as contaminating these dates.
Examples of fossil intermixing have been documented by both creationists and evolutionists. In the Robledos Mountains, in layers assigned to the Permian (a period of time ranging from 299-251 million years ago, before the dinosaurs) are found tracks of the large sail-backed Dimetrodon. That’s not really all that shocking – it’s actually what evolution says. But in the same layer as the Dimetrodon tracks are bird and bear tracks, creatures that should not appear for over 200 million years. And yet we have evidence that these creatures literally walked the earth at the same time. This was reported in the article by Doug Steward called “Petrified Footprints: A Puzzling Parade of Permian Beasts”, Smithsonian, July 1992, vol. 23, Issue 4, p. 70-79, where it was stated that paleontologists label these things
as problematica. The thing is, they’re only problematic for evolution and an old earth.
Other examples could be named – in the Grand Canyon, horse hoofprints were found in rock layers supposedly 100 million years before hoofed animals appeared (Edwin D. Mckee, The Supai Group of Grand Canyon, Geological Survey Professional Paper 1173, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office 1982, p. 93-96, 100). It doesn’t take a genius to see the flaw with that one. In fact, ostrich tracks have been documented at Blue Beach in Nova Scotia, supposedly 350 million years old (Ian Juby, “Special report #2: The strange fossil footprints of Horton Bluff, Nova Scotia”, CrEvo News, May 12, 2012, http://ianjuby.org/newsletter/?p=602#3 ). So ostriches are older than the dinosaurs from which birds supposedly evolved? time (F. S. Holmes, The Phosphate Rocks of South Carolina and the Great Carolina Marl Bed, p. 31). This is the subject of geologist John Watson’s book Man Dinosaurs And Mammals Together, available from the Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum (http://www.mtblanco.com ).
Drs. Davidson and Wolgemuth specifically state, “Ferns and meadow flowers should be found in the same deposits” in old deposits. Fern spores and flower pollen have been found in Cambrian rocks assigned an age of 361-440 million years before flowering plants evolved (See R. M. Stainforth, “Occurrence of Pollen and Spores in the Roraima Formation of Venezuela and British Guiana,” Nature, vol. 210, April 16, 1966, p. 292-294; A. K. Ghosh and A. Bose, p. 796-797; A. K. Ghosh and A. Bose, “Spores and Tracheids from the Cambrian of Kashmir,” Nature, vol. 169, June 21, 1952, p. 1056-1057; J. Coates et al, p. 266-267). In fact, flower pollen has been found in Precambrian rocks, meaning they are found in rocks supposedly 152 million years before the first land plants evolved (George F. Howe et al, “A Pollen Analysis of Hakatai Shale and Other Grand Canyon Rocks,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, vol. 24, March 1988, p. 173-182).
The Miracle that we even find dinosaur bones and other older fossils.
If the current rate of erosion is extrapolated back- at current rates (past rates of erosion can be shown to be much greater from environmental studies (the evolutionary practice of uniformitarianism does this all the time- extrapolating from the present)) then current continents and sedimentary layers containing dinosaur bones should have eroded flat and been recycled in 12- 18 million years. Close to three times over in 70 million years. http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html
Eroding Ages http://creation.com/eroding-ages
http://aufiles.creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j11_3/j11_3_335-343.pdf
The Fossil Record Shows Devolution from Greater Ancestors http://greaterancestors.com/ Other sites: Many show past erosion rates as lower than today, today’s rates being affected by humans. But I think this question still poses a scientific issue on Fossils and their age. This is a tough one, as we can only extrapolate and make models about past erosion rates.
http://serc.carleton.edu/details/images/17056.html
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994GeoRu..83..431H
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=726
http://orgs.usd.edu/esci/age/content/creationist_clocks/continents.html
http://oatao.univ-toulouse.fr/3563/1/Tardy_3563.pdf
http://gsabulletin.gsapubs.org/content/119/1-2/140.abstract
http://www.coas.oregonstate.edu/facultypages/mix/Harris_Mix_Geology_2001.pdf
Extinction events
Evolutionist claim an extinction event (meteor bombardment- the most widely accepted theory) wiped out dinosaurs and almost all life of earth. This created a genetic bottleneck event, from which they say life rebounded and created all the diversity of creatures we have today. Yet they ridicule the notion that in a global flood cataclysm Noah could have preserved two pairs- at least 4 of ever creature (in ancient Hebrew) these being ancestral creatures whose genetic makeup was not deteriorated or depleted. See the Cheetah’s genetic extinction*.
What is more genetically difficult. Everything we see today coming from a complex mix of chemicals spontaneous generation/abiogenesis to all life then a mass extinction event approx 50 million years ago of the dinosaurs etc. to all the life we see today. Or the Creation of ancestral kinds of creatures (ancestral wolf/dog to all species of dogs), a global flood cataclysm (see In The Beginning, by Dr Walt Brown) causing a genetic bottleneck, from which we know species typically rebound from with great amounts of diversity (see Degeneration: The End of Evolutionary Theory).
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/common-misconceptions-about-evolution.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/natural-limits-of-evolution.html
The Geologic Column http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html
Are there all that many dinosaur species or do scientists not want to share discoveries? Just how many Ancestral kinds of Dinosaurs are there? Were Allosaurus and T-Rex just different species of the same genetic kind?
Of all the creatures in the fossil record (which all agree is still being added to with new discoveries) are there any creatures alive today- major body types - which we do not find there? If progressive evolution is true shouldn't there be hundreds even thousands of creatures alive today which are nowhere found in the fossil record? It seems to me we find the opposite. We find thousands of creatures alive in the past who have gone extinct and are no longer alive today. Isn't this evidence of kinds speciating, adapting and degenerating to extinction?
Back to Human Dinosaur Coexistence
Where's the evidence? Actually, all over the world!
Many sedimentary layers contain dinosaur bones, mammal bones and human bones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DubjzG5r358&list=UU23yiJV4Bkagj5dkH-UyHFA
Bacteria and Evolution Genesis Week, Ep 2, season 3 with Wazooloo, aka Ian Juby
Whales, porpoises, fish, sharks and ray sharks (incl. Megalodon) Toads, crocodiles, alligators, turtles, rabbits, monkeys, horses, tapirs, camels, elephants, rhinoceroses, mammoths, mastodons, sloths, muskrats, deer, pigs, dogs, sheep, hadrosaur dinosaurs, iguanodon dinosaurs, plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs, human bones, teeth and artifacts have been found in the same strata of the Phosphate rocks of South Carolina and the "great Carolina marl bed by F. S. Holmes & Man, Dinosaurs and Mammals Together By Josh Watson www.mtblanco.com
I have compiled most of this “evidence” in “SLP2.0” at www.sparklightplanet.com
Of course these evidences are hotly contested by evolutionists/atheists. If even one of these is true, than it sounds a death knell to NP Evolution. Taken with all the evidences countering NP Evolution from all disciplines of science, it should make one take the time to think about and research the issue of origins for themselves.
Source: bible.ca/tracks/utp-upper-taylor-platform-mcfall-trail.htm True finds or fakes?
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.jpg
http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm
Watch more… -videos
Dinosaurs & Humans (part 1) - Dr. Brad Harrub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGFrucrBSRw
Left: Lady of Guadeloupe British Mu.Nat.His. Miocene Limestone 28 myo
Fossilsout of place artifacts see SLP2.0 pages 238-364 at www.sparklightplanet.com
www.s8int.com http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
just cool http://www.fogonazos.es/2008/09/cal-orko-dinosaurs-dancefloor.html
Human bones found in Evolutionary Dated rock layers 3.2 Mill. Y. o. rock and older
Knee bone of a human in 3.2myo rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQahEG1z_A&feature=plcp
Human fossil footprints and artifacts in “Dino” layers and much more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0oPx5eNoRI&feature=BFa&list=PL11166601CA0FB279
Dinosaurs ate birds
http://creation.com/dinos-ate-birds
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0044012
Archeological
Icca stones: Fake or Real?
carvings and depictions on ancient ruins and stones
http://www.icr.org/men-dinosaurs/
‘Feathered’ dinos:
no feathers after all!
http://creation.com/feathered-dinosaurs-not-feathers
http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-protein-even-more-confirmation
http://www.icr.org/article/utah-dinosaur-petroglyph-disputed/
depictions on artifacts and figurines www.s8int.com
The Dinosaur Next Door http://www.icr.org/article/3882/368/
The Dinosaur Figurines Of Acambaro, Mexico : Fake or Real?
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro.htm
http://detecting.org.uk/html/Acambaro_Figures_Famous_Fakes_and_Frauds.html
http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=348
see SLP2.0 pages 238-364 at www.sparklightplanet.com
Historical writings, testimonies, artistic, and photographic:
Eyewitnesses to Extinction: Testimonies to the Life and Death of Dinosaurs http://www.icr.org/articles/view/6092/368/
Is There Some Truth to Dragon Myths? http://www.icr.org/articles/view/4770/368/
from http://www.forbidden-history.com/herodotus.html Historical and historical scientific writings www.s8int.com
Historical Support for the Coexistence of Dinosaurs and Humans [Part I] http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=743
Walking Amidst the Dinosaurs http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=37 Historians, Explorers Herodotus, Ulysses Aldrovandus, Pliny the Elder, Josephus, and Marco Polo. All of these men recorded seeing different types of creatures that they called dragons.
Roman accounts, Chinese accounts http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/historical/dragons/
Anglo- European accounts and royal genealogies – confirm Biblical history and dinosaurs back to
Noahic and even Adamic times
historic accounts in middle ages and Renaissance times
After the Flood by Bill Cooper http://www.ezekielwatch.com/Portals/69/Resources/AfterTheFlood.pdf
artistic and photographic
compiled in “SLP2.0” at www.sparklightplanet.com
http://isawelvisinthewoods.blogspot.com/2010/12/mother-always-taught-me-never-eat.html
CULTURE
NAME FOR DRAGON http://www.forbidden-history.com/dinosaurs-in-history.html
China
Loong
Japan
Ryu
Philippines
Bakunawa
Siberia
Yilbega
French
dragon,dragun,dargon
Turkey
Ejderha
Greece
Drakon
Portugal
Coca
Romaina
Balamr
Slavic
Zmeg, Drak, Smok
Hungary
Sarkany
Britain/England
Wyvern, Dragon
Sardinia
Scultone
Wales
Y ddraig goch
Korea
Yong, Imoggi
Vietnam
Rong, Long
India
Neak
Persia
Azhdaha
Germany
Lindworm
Tartar
Zilant
See timeline at www.sparklightplanet.com
· Creation of the heavens and earth- earth formless and empty (void) - unknown amount of time
· Creation of original kinds of creatures – six days
· Speciation, adaptation, and diversification of all creatures including dragons/dinosaurs
· Creatures original designed as herbivores / optimized genetic expression in plant and animals
· Man partially separates himself and the earth (all their given domain) from God’s sustaining power – not totally or all would die and cease to exist, God being the essence of life, light and existence / reality.
· God's supernatural sustaining life is lifted from man and creation- see the purpouse for the tree of Life.
· Degeneration resulting in death enters the living world, diseases, genetic degeneration(mutation etc.), environmental degeneration. Speciation/adaptation and natural/environmental selection were in existence in original creation (entropy was designed into creation- God supersedes entropy) see Entropy and God article* http://gochristianhelps.com/tracts/stl/entropy.htm
· Mans evil and self destruction escalate until God chooses to step in and rescue humanity from themselves inducing a global flood cataclysm
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood, by Dr. Walt Brown.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ www.creationscience.com
· Noah is chosen to be used in preserving original genetic ancestral kinds of land and air creatures including dinosaurs. Is this possible or feasible, see books and articles*
· At least two pairs (4) of ever creature mentioned above are preserved. All ancestral kinds, being in eggs, juveniles/ babies- young durable and small. This would reduce the space and food needs- all creatures would have been able to subsist on organic/ plant material, see above herbivorism. Massive amounts of plants were floating on bio-mats in the cataclysm waters- which weren’t salty like to oceans of today- providing additional food. Many animals may have entered a hibernation state, eating less and taking less maintenance.
http://www.biblesearchers.com/ancients/noah/noah1.shtml
Post Cataclysm
· Genetic ancestral kinds speciate, diversify and adapt to what we see today.
· The earth’s environment changes radically from its pre-flood cataclysm state
· Degeneration and speciation accelerates in humans and in animals due to genetic “bottle neck” and environmental extreems
· The post-flood environment would have been ultra lush and wet. A water covered earth with no deserts, large inland lakes and oceans, A planet wide ice age would have followed, see In the Beginning by Dr Walt Brown, Old Earth Why Not, etc
· contents sliding apart, riding higher on the mantle, early civilizations established on coastlines and later flooded http://www.newscientist.com/special/drowned-cities-myths-secrets-of-the-deep
http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwater-urban-archeology-7-submerged-wonders-of-the-world/
Sunken Realms: A Survey of Underwater Ruins from Around the World by Karen Mutton · warmer oceans due to volcanism etc. precipitate a rapid ice age.
· greater precipitation – resulting in more snow- growing ice sheets and accelerated erosion
· harsher environmental conditions – making it harder for animals to adapt and survive. Dinosaurs being reptilian would have a harder time surviving an ice age.
http://www.iceagecivilizations.com/ & http://www.genesisveracity.com/
· Lower oceans, higher land masses – the animals migrate all over the earth, see map of post flood earth. Or ancient Evolutionary earth. The predator animals pursuing the prey from the origin point of Turkey. Humans pursuing both as the ultimate predator. See animal and human migration*. In the Beginning
A possible post-Flood human migration route http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19_1/j19_1_65-72.pdf
Post-Flood Marsupial Migration Explained http://www.rae.org/marsupials.html http://www.ezekielwatch.com/Portals/69/Resources/AfterTheFlood.pdf http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/
Footprints After the Flood http://realtruth.org/articles/446-fatf.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c006.html
· Humanity spreads hunting and killing the fiercest, largest and most auspicious of the animals, mostly dragons/dinosaurs. http://www.icr.org/article/did-humans-cause-dinosaur-extinctions/
http://www.icr.org/men-dinosaurs/
· by Roman times dinosaurs/ dragons were rare and scarce
· Approximately 500 years ago they were mostly extinct being wiped out for being nuances or valued – as to their rarity – see the hunting of almost extinct animals today and Chinese eat dinosaur/ dragon bones for medicinal purposes etc.)
· Today, due to 200 years of Evolutionary theory practically no one is looking for or believes that dinosaurs/dragons still might exist in extremely remote places or in large bodies of water. All evidence that threatens their evolutionary / atheistic views are ignored, destroyed or explained away.
So, what do you think? Is the history valid, the evidences. It is irrational and stupid to propose human dinosaur coexistence? Will more human searching and discovery destroy or reveal the evidence? Will future discoveries confirm or invalidate human dinosaur coexistence. If there are new discoveries in favor of coexistence will they be ignored or destroyed to keep public funding of evolutionary science theory and their public funded research and teaching in our schools. Wouldn't it be sad if because of evolutionary theory and beliefs we destroy and lose our chance to connect and learn more about these amazing “terrible lizards” of the past? Will we trade discovery for a theory that limits all we can know to the material world and the security and comforts of humans wanting to only answer to themselves?
Sources Science supporting Intelligent Origins
book
Genetic Entropy & the Mystery of the Genome by John C. Stanford
Darwin's Black Box by Michael J. Behe
web
Degeneration: the end of evolution theory
E-Book www.evolution-is-degeneration.com
www.sparklightplanet.com
The Origin and Evolution of Life on Earth
E-Book www.lifesorigin.com
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/intelligent-design-on-another-planet.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-did-my-dna-make-me.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/evolution-made-simple.html
Reasons to Believe – presents arguments for God's existence and creation – old earth and theistic evolution position www.reasons.org
Creation & Science Websites/ books
E-Book The Spark, The Light & The Planet www.sparklightplanet.com
RSF: List of Not So Old Things http://kgov.com/list-of-not-so-old-things
RSF: List of Not So Old Things Pt. 2 http://kgov.com/bel/20120127
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/science-and-origin-of-life.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/creationists-right-on-entropy-evolution.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/science-and-young-earth.html
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-god-didnt-have-beginning.html
The Institute for Creation Research Indepth scientific and biblical information regarding the creation/evolution controversy. www.icr.org
Answers in Genesis www.answersingenesis.org
Creation Ministries International www.Creation.com
Dinosaurs and coexistence
http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/04/where-are-all-half-evolved-dinosaurs.html
Watch more… -videos
Dinosaurs & Humans (part 1) - Dr. Brad Harrub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGFrucrBSRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88pbccQbMxE&feature=watch_response
Man Walked with Dinosaurs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NsMhg1IkIY&feature=related
books
Mysterious Sea Monsters of California’s Central Coast by Mysterious Sea Monsters of California’s Central Coast
Global flood Cataclysm SLP 2.0 on website free PDF download
Books See above and * see list and resources at
www.sparklightplanet.com
A Supernatural
History of the World
Creation through the flood Cataclysm & ice Age to Abraham
A crash course through supernatural history using science, the Bible and historic research
Eden Lost
Available at www.sparklightplanet.com